© Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Both US and Japanese policy in the Pacific in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (particularly the U.S. seizure of the Philippines) kept German regional ambitions firmly in mind. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Germany and the United Kingdom might plausibly have come to an accommodation on naval armaments that would have left the Reich with a free hand on the Continent in exchange for the security of the British Empire. So let’s forget World of Warships and the lists of stats for a minute and take a glance at history. Battleship Shootout: KM Bismarck vs. USS Iowa vs. IJN Yamato vs. HMS King George V September 28, 2012 in General Topics The battleship , moreso than any kind of warship–excepting perhaps the man O’ war –was often the visual representation of a country’s military might. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Bismarck is far better in fire control than Yamato (assuming 1941 for both). This might be more about UK shells though, and perhaps less of an issue between Bismarck and Yamato, See 1 - if you can see your enemy and they cant, it allows a more favourable starting position, and a greater ability to fight in bad weather/poor visibility. The SG is a 10cm or 3cm microwave set with a 360 degree sweep and PPI display. Yamato and Musashi, the largest and most powerfully built ships in history (although perhaps at some disadvantage relative to the American Iowas) utterly outclassed the German ships, and would have defeated them easily. 24 October 1944. The Bismarcks carried about nineteen thousand tons of armor, albeit in an archaic configuration by World War II standards. Two hours into the engagement, an explosion rocks Tirpitz; the crippled battleship soon capsizes and sinks. With the assistance of the surrendered German crew, the Japanese manage to get the fires and flooding under control. Share. By contrast, the 18.1” hits begin to do serious damage immediately, plunging into the German ships at great range. Bismarck Secondaries VS Yamato : World of Warships | Wows Bismarck vs Wows Yamato —————————————————————————————————————————– Today we find out just how strong the bismarcks secondaries truely are in world of warships when we put them against the yamato in a straight up 1v1. The Japanese concentrate their fire on Bismarck, which has slowed to a stop and ceased firing. Two hours into the engagement, an explosion rocks Tirpitz; the crippled battleship soon capsizes and sinks. Although officially taken into IJN service, Bismarck never returns to combat status; the expense and difficulty of refit prove too much for the Japanese. We will assume for our purposes that Germany would construct ships akin to the Bismarck and Tirpitz, and then deploy them to the Far East (in a shorter Great War, Germany might well have retained the naval base at Tsingtao). Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by dasreich, Aug 16, 2002. However, before long both Bismarck and Tirpitz begin to lose speed, cutting off any chance of escape. At a perfect 45 degree angle, the Yamato's turret armor was … Bismarck was a well built ship based on the WWI Baden class but would get stomped by Yamato. Yamato's armor was thicker: (belt: 16.6" @ 20 degree incline, deck: 9.1", turret faces: 25.6", barbettes: 21.5" vs Bismarck 12.6" verticle belt, 4.7" deck, 14.1" turret faces, 13.4" barbettes). That's going to make it finding Bismarck much easier than Seetakt will be for finding North Carolina. The remaining Japanese cruisers and destroyers, having disposed of their German counterparts, open up with their own guns and fire their remaining torpedoes. Both the Germans and the Japanese have excellent fire control, but the contest is unequal. Yamato and Musashi (both of which have suffered significant damage to their upper works and secondary armaments) close to point blank range. Japanese gunfire slows the rest of the line, allowing several of the IJN’s support squadron to detach themselves and concentrate on the German battleships. But the Yamato also had very suspect damage control discipline, but would probably been nearly immune to the Bismarck’s main guns. Just as Japan chafed against the existence of the British and American empires in Asia, it could well have come into conflict with Berlin. Bismarck vs. Yamato: What if Hitler's Biggest Battleship Attacked Japan's Monster Warship? Now Bismarck vs an Iowa class....that would be a good comparison. Although large and capable of absorbing enormous battle damage, Bismarck and Tirpitz simply did not compare favorably with any other navy’s fast battleships. Also higher quality radar allows for far more effective fire control. Japanese gunfire slows the rest of the line, allowing several of the IJN’s support squadron to detach themselves and concentrate on the German battleships. Increasingly accurate Japanese fire devastates the upper works of the German ships. He blogs at Lawyers, Guns and Money and Information Dissemination and The Diplomat. Japan entered the Great War against the Central Powers as a coalition partner; if the coalition had broken up, Tokyo might still have found reason to quarrel with Berlin. Bismarck was commissioned in 1940, Yamato in late 1941. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. The German ships lose the capacity to meaningfully engage the Japanese, and are subjected to withering fire from the battleships. The fifteen-inch guns of Bismarck and Tirpitz fire at a greater rate than the Japanese guns, but even when they hit, they do relatively little damage to the vitals of the Japanese ships (although they extensively scar the upper works). His work includes military doctrine, national security, and maritime affairs. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Yamato takes Bismarck under tow until tugs arrive. With the assistance of the surrendered German crew, the Japanese manage to get the fires and flooding under control. He serves as a Senior Lecturer at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the University of Kentucky. A boarding party from Yukikaze embarks upon the crippled German ship, followed by damage control parties from the rest of the Japanese squadron. Yamato and Musashi, the largest and most powerfully built ships in history (although perhaps at some disadvantage relative to the American Iowas) utterly outclassed the German ships, and would have defeated them easily. The Germans open fire first, when it becomes apparent that they cannot escape the fight. Lutjens decides to attack before Japanese cruisers and destroyers can close into torpedo range; German intelligence is well-apprised of the capabilities of the Type 93 torpedo, designed to destroy and disable capital ships at a distance. Szybkość była istotnym elementem jej projektu. However, before long both Bismarck and Tirpitz begin to lose speed, cutting off any chance of escape. As the clouds of war gather, Bismarck, Tirpitz, and a collection of smaller vessels (two heavy cruisers, six destroyers) abandon Tsingtao for the German naval base at Truk. Still, both German battleships remain shockingly resistant to the damage inflicted by the IJN. A boarding party from Yukikaze embarks upon the crippled German ship, followed by damage control parties from the rest of the Japanese squadron. He serves as a senior lecturer at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the University of Kentucky. With their speed advantage gone, the Germans find themselves in a slugging match with far larger, more heavily armored opponents. Increasingly accurate Japanese fire devastates the upper works of the German ships. The battle between the smaller ships also begins to go the Japanese way. Share with: Link: Copy link. The Yamatos, on the other hand, displaced about seventy-two thousand tons, armed with nine 18.1” guns in three triple turrets and capable of twenty-seven knots. Image: Japanese battleship Yamato is hit by a bomb near her forward 460mm gun turret, during attacks by U.S. carrier planes as she transited the Sibuyan Sea. A German Empire emerging victorious from the Great War might well have sought to extend those territories, especially in China. After a flurry of shellfire on both sides, the Japanese ships open up at range with their twenty-four-inch “Long Lance” torpedoes. 1. The German squadron has a three-knot speed advantage, which it uses to try to pull away from the Japanese and avoid the engagement. Difficult, but not impossible. Her caliber was smaller-- 15in vs the Yamato's 18in shells, but the Yamato had known metallurgy problems in its armor. Prior to World War One, Germany held extensive territories in the Pacific. The Yamatos, on the … The mythology that surrounds Bismarck stems largely from the destruction of just one ship. The battle between the smaller ships also begins to go the Japanese way. 3. An eagle eyed Japanese sailor onboard Yamato sees a German officer strike the ships colors, and miraculously, the order goes out across the fleet to cease firing. Lutjens wants to engage before dark, when he knows that the Japanese will have a significant tactical advantage, despite German radar. We also assume that they represent the early stages of German fast battleship design, meaning that the more powerful ships will remain in the Atlantic. Robert Farley, a frequent contributor to TNI, is author of The Battleship Book. Japan entered the Great War against the Central Powers as a coalition partner; if the coalition had broken up, Tokyo might still have found reason to quarrel with Berlin. With Kido Butai (the Japanese carrier force) engaged elsewhere, the Imperial Japanese Navy assigns HIJMS Yamato and HIJMS Musashi (with a similarly constituted support group) the task of catching and destroying the German ships. Yamato and her sister carried about twenty-two thousand tons of armor in modern (“all or nothing”) configuration. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. Could Hitler's super warship best the biggest battleship ever built? Apart from the Iowas and HMS Vanguard, the Bismarcks and the Yamatos were the two largest classes of battleships ever built. Bismarck vs yamato. Three German ships suffer hits, with a cruiser and a destroyer shearing out of line. At this point, the situation becomes academic. Difficult, but not impossible. © Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. Bismarck and her sister Tirpitz displaced about fifty thousand tons, with a speed of roughly thirty knots and an armament of eight fifteen-inch guns in four twin turrets. Yamato It was on that sister ship Musashi, The Largest Ship in History-And More Agile and Heavy Equipment Bismarck. More importantly, the imperial ambitions of Kaiserine Germany are worth remembering. Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by dasreich, Aug 16, 2002. With their speed advantage gone, the Germans find themselves in a slugging match with far larger, more heavily armored opponents. Lutjens wants to engage before dark, when he knows that the Japanese will have a significant tactical advantage, despite German radar. Three German ships suffer hits, with a cruiser and a destroyer shearing out of line. U.S. Navy. 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