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One in the chamber and another in the magazine makes it a two-shooter. of benchmark with a Rem 7.5 primer I have also done a lot of work with the Federal 205 and 205 Match, and these primers also work wellbut will also start to flatten and can pierce more easily than the first three mentioned. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. The author obtained the tools, which took some time, and by the time the tools were ready Mr. ONeil had other things to occupy his mind, so that the project remained static until 1945. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. If striking a bone on impact they will absolutely detonatenot only potentially ruining a valuable hide, but also creating a superficial wound that is not immediately lethal and will leave animals to suffersomething all hunters try to avoid. He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. I was reminded of him while loading IMR 4198 in the Ackley cartridge in order to compare its performance with CFE BLK. WARNING: The loads shown here are safe only in the guns for which they were developed. According to my measurements, its gravimetric density is 0.980 gram per cubic centimeter, the same as for water. My most accurate 222 rem. I will say that the 20s, while attractive for the little stuff, are not always a great choice for predators at these velocities. Hornady Custom Grade full-length dies were used to size and load the .17s. Hodgdon LilGun is the powder for the .17. Patches pushed through the bore came out with the black gunk of powder fouling but no blue color to indicate jacket fouling. Hodgdons listing of 18.0 grains of CFE BLK as maximum for 30- and 35-grain bullets needs clarification. Bullet weights from 15.5 to 25 grains were tested. After looking at load data for the 17 Mach IV and looking at Quickload, it seems something in the burn rate of IMR 4198, Vihta Vuori N110, Alliant 2400, Alliant Reloader 7, Hodgdon Lil'Gun, Alliant Blue Dot, and IMR 4227 would meet the requirement. The Hornady .17 case, however, is a bit shorter in length and to the base of the shoulder than the Ackley case. Wind resistance? The bolt on one would not close, and though the bolt on the other rifle would close, the fit was so tight a steady diet of that ammo would eventually cause galling of the locking lugs. I had enough primed cases left over for exactly four-shot strings, and one does not waste primers these days. models. : 2.150" Powder: 24.1 gr 25.9 gr Vel. All things considered, this new propellant from Hodgdon ranks among the very best choices available for Remingtons littlest .22-caliber centerfire cartridge. As with any cartridge, whenever changing to a new lot of powder, its always best to load a few rounds at lower charge weights and chronograph them to check velocity against that of your existing load. The impossibility of getting suitable actions for the .17 Pee Wee cartridge, made it necessary to design several other cartridges which would be suitable for available actions. The first die necks a .22 Hornet case down to .20 caliber. When using that primer in this cartridge, it is important to begin with a starting load and keep a close eye on fired primer condition while carefully working up. In this cartridge, an overcharge of a fraction of a grain, particularly when working with near maximum loads, can produce excessive pressuresso a little extra care in this step is essential. case and fireforming to minimum body taper and a 40-degree shoulder angle, the 7mm TCU is great fun to shoot due to its extremely mild recoil. Full-length sizing is fine if you want cartridges to headspace off the .17s rim, but that amount of sizing set the case shoulders back .005 inch, which can cause cases to split around the web after firing them a few times. Slightly compressed charges often deliver the lowest shot-to-shot variations in velocity, while dropping much below 90 percent can result in high velocity spreads. Hornady loads its .17 Hornet Superformance Varmint cartridges with 20-grain V-MAX bullets and 15.5-grain NTX bullets, with a stated muzzle velocity of 3,650 fps for the V-MAX and 3,870 fps for the NTX. The new 9mm suppressor can mount easily to any pistol barrel threaded x28 inches and doesn't compromise on sound suppression, gas blowback or recoil. Today's favorites are the .17 HMR and the .17 Remington. Years ago, a friend who worked at Remington informed me that more Model 700 rifles in .17 Rem. A few .12 and .14 calibers emerged, but those of .17 caliber ended up being the most popular. He owned no powder scale and simply filled the case to the brim with IMR 4198, seated a bullet on top, and commenced to terrorize the local crow population. The primers that seem to consistently work the best (and are the ones most sources recommend) are the CCI 450, Remington 7.5, and CCI BR-4. 55mm. Well Russ, you picked a bullet I've never tried. It is about 600 fps faster than the .17 Hornets and an honest 300 fps faster than the Mach IV and the Fireball. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. During my youth, I shot a custom single-shot rifle in 17 Ackley Hornet built on a Winchester Model 1885 action belonging to one of my fathers hunting pals. In 1970, OBrien sold his company to Harrington & Richardson, which renamed the rifle the Model 317 Ultra Wildcat. Whereas the Redding Model No. Hammer Bullets' 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. I have some 25 grain Calhoon .17 bullets that I have been saving for a while. Subscriber Services. With the 65, I recommend 47.5 grains of Varget or 47.5 grains of IMR 4064. Ackleys little cartridge, but loading CFE BLK is faster because it flows through a good powder measure with much greater uniformity in charge weight. My old pet load for my 17 BDL was with IMR 4320 with 25 Berger Match HP. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Savage Impulse Big Game Straight-Pull Bolt-Action Rifle: Full Review, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, .375 H&H Mag. Compression is light when the Berger 30-grain bullet is seated to an overall cartridge length of 1.830 inches. The reason the author made the first .17 caliber was the result of a deal with the late C.H. Fast follow-up shots are easy, virtue of low recoil, and savvy shooters can spot their own impacts through their scope. Regardless of how bullets were seated, chamber pressures appeared to be on the mild side in the Cooper and Remington guns. That meshes closely with Hornadys 200-yard zero figures: +1.1 inches at 100 yards and -6.40 inches at 300 yards. I have tried 3 different 20 grain pills out of my 17 Rem. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. When introducing the .17 Remington Fireball in 2008, Remington copied the .17 Mach IV case with the exception of a couple of dimensions. Patrick. Perhaps you know someone who drives a Maserati, or a 1970s International pickup. Even the report of most .17-caliber guns is mild, particularly that of rimfire versions. The Hammer 18 grain Dead Blow and Nosler 20 grain Varmageddon bullets deserve further experimentation, as I obviously didnt do my part though I did demonstrate what didnt work, which is something. Of rimfire design, it's ideal for prairie dogs, potgut gophers and most of the smaller furbearers out to a couple of hundred yards. Reloder 7 did its best with a maximum load of 16.5 grains; .53 inch at 4,039. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. For instance, if you want to shoot the new .17 WSM, you're pretty much limited to Savage's B-Mag and perhaps one or two single-shot, novelty type rifles such as Taylor Firearms' little baby Sharps. If i had a bunch of those bullets i would try IMR 4320. There are a wide variety of custom makers that currently sell various configurations of hollowpoints and even softpoints in .17 calibera quick search on the net will show the way. Lot-to-lot powder variations do exist and in a cartridge this small, they can cause a significant difference in pressure and velocity. The Hornets velocities are about 500 fps slower than the Fireballs. Good brushes, a good one-piece rod, a bore guide and a solvent at least equal to Shooters Choice are all smart investments. Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. Taurus Marketing Manager Caleb Giddings highlights the features of the new Taurus Raging Hunter 460 Magnum, a purpose-built revolver with a 10.5-inch barrel and an effective recoil-taming brake, with Guns & Ammo Executive Editor Joe Kurtenbach. In the .17s I have worked with, the CCI BR-4 has given me the most consistent accuracybut your results may vary. I had expected chamber pressure and velocity of the factory load to be a bit lower in the improved chamber, and they were, but accuracy in my rifle was quite good. Unfortunately, our choices have become very sparse, but the V-MAX and the Berger HP both work better than the lighter bullets. The first commercial .17-caliber round, the .17 Remington, was hobbled by the inferior .17-caliber bullets available upon its release, often resulting in superficial wounds on animals such as coyotes. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Its cup is softer than that of the Remington 7 primer, but neither of us experienced pierced primers when using a charge 0.3 grain shy of maximum. 23.5 grn. Accurate: AAC-2460: Subscribe: 3741: Remarks: 20: Hornady V-Max: Accurate: AAC-2460 . Joined: Dec 2015. With the case shoulder bumped back and bullets reseated, it averaged 0.64 inch for five, five-shot groups at 100 yards. sierra Gameking , AOL. 71/2 and 24 gr of 4320 under a 25 gr bullet gives me 3900 from a 22 inch barrel and is 1/4 -1/2 inch accuracy. The new big bore pistols feature industry-first capacity, with a standard 15-round capacity and 22+1 rounds of 10mm or 18+1 rounds of .45 ACP from the extended magazines. The .17 caliber rimfire cartridges include the .17 M2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM. But like most rifles in 22 Hornet, the barrels of those in 218 Bee have a rifling twist of 1:16 inches, which is not quick enough to stabilize many of the bullets listed for this cartridge in various reloading manuals. Speaking of casesgood cartridge cases are available from a variety of sources, as is loaded ammunition. Bullets for the .17 Remington have come a long way since 1971, both in quality and variety. It would quickly become the benchrest shooting champion until the PPC cartridges appeared in 1974. It fed cartridges measuring 1.750 inches just fine, but to avoid any feeding issues in the field, I reduced COL to 1.745 inches. In testing the ability of the powder to Erase Copper Fouling, Reiber fired a 467-round string during the varmint shoot with no cleaning, except for occasional dry-brushing to sweep out powder fouling. The supplied scope rings that clamp on the square bridge of the receiver are a nice touch. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Ruger No. The 20-grain Varmageddon by Nosler is a classic cup-and-core hollowpoint that provides a great option for high-volume, budget-conscious varmint shooters. Backing the sizing die a partial turn from contacting the shellholder on the press set headspace on the case shoulder instead of on the cartridge rim. Parker Otto Ackley wore many different hats. 2 scale used in my tests detected no weight variation in charges of CFE BLK dispensed by the Redding measure, IMR 4198 varied by as much as 0.3 grain. .17 Remington (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 77 loads. Because the .17 Hornady Hornet case is smaller than the .17 Ackley Hornet case, handloading data for the two cartridges should not be casually interchanged. My most accurateand one I still haveis a Sako L46. This American-made, double-base spherical powder is a slower derivative of A-2230. About the same time, Hornady introduced its version of the 25-grain HPand this was (and is) an excellent bullet, though sadly it appears to be out of production at the moment. The 20 grn Vmax had better accuracy and Mr. Nagels 20 grain pill was the most accurate. Hornadys 20-grain Z-MAX is the same as the V-MAX in every way, except the polymer tip is Zombie green instead of Hornady red. My best load with the 20gn V-Max was 10gn of Lil Gun for a sizzling 3699fps, but 10gn of AR2205 gave a handy 3535fps and WIN-296 did 3550fps. . On the faster burning end of the usable spectrum, and with lighter bullets powders like H322 can deliver astonishingly high velocity with excellent accuracy. ONeil of OKH fame. The 527s barrel is slender with a diameter of just over .5 inch at the muzzle. The .17 Fireball includes such mild recoil that the shooter gets to watch all the action through the scope. The .17 Mach 2 (.17 M2) cartridge is based on a CCI Stinger .22 LR case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. The 17 Mach IV was designed by Vern O'Brien, Las Vegas, Nevada, in 1962. A sleeper that works very well is W760 and its stablemate H414. For the bigger animals such as predators, its very hard to beat a 25-grain hollow point. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. The .204 Ruger is essentially a .222 Remington Magnum case necked to accept .204-inch bullets, which results in 32- and 40-grain bullets being advertised at 4,225 fps . The Gunsmith should have the rifle in my hot little hands in about 2 weeks. At 300 yards they dropped 5.50 inches. The Judge has been promoted! The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. An additional 0.8 grain of the powder increased velocity by 237 fps. Despite their long leap through space, five of the 20-grain AccuTip-V bullets consistently landed inside an inch at 100 yards. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Im betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. Ackley describes the .17 Hornet as sort of an improved .22 Hornet necked down to .17 caliber. The rifle weighs right at 7 pounds with a Turkish walnut stock and a Burris 10x scope. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! There is an obvious allure in velocities of more than 4,200-4,300 fps, but I suspect a steady varmint-shooting diet of Hornadys 15.5 grain NTX would result in premature barrel wear. I'm watching this thread because I just got my 17 rem upper. The .17 Hornets tiny bullets and a small case capacity mean velocities vary considerably with a slight change in powder weight. Ive not tried the excellent RWS primer nor the new Winchester Match Small Riflebut wouldnt hesitate to test either one. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. Remember, the above accuracy results are averages with all brands of ammunition tested. The .270 typically calls for charge weights ranging from 55 to 60 grains, so my target is +/- 0.2 grain. When developing its version of the .17 Hornet, Hornady shortened the .22 Hornet case about 0.050 inch to make overall cartridge length compatible with the magazines of existing rifles in .22 Hornet. Taking a bit more time at the loading bench can avoid a problem later at the range. Factory .223 Remington loads often provide good accuracy, but the cartridge is a great choice for handloaders who want to duplicate or even exceed factory ammunition ballistics. That powder seems to always work for me. This bullet would make the best choice for coyote-sized game, providing a touch more punch and less likelihood of breaking up before reaching vitals. The round was first loaded with an 87-grain bullet at the then-astounding velocity of 3,000 fps; the "3000" in its name was, of course, a marketing maneuver on the bullet speed. I have had my best results with the 25 gr. There are a variety of .17-caliber bullets for handloaders to choose from. CFE BLK my go-to .221 Fireball rifle powder produced top velocities and good accuracy, including a .48-inch group at 4,250 fps with 17 grains of powder. Rifles chambered for the various .17-caliber centerfire cartridges often have extremely long chamber throats, and the Ruger Model 77/17H test rifle is one of them. Muzzle velocity was 3,488 fps at a chamber pressure of 46,400 psi. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. Velocity from the 10.75-inch barrel of the XP-100 was just over 3,100 fps, with accuracy as good as that particular gun has ever produced. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. The Fireball dropped in 1964 with the official introduction of the same companys XP-100 single-shot bolt pistol and provided 90 percent of the .223 Remingtons performance while burning 35 percent less powder. A decrease in body taper gained back some of the capacity loss, but its gross water capacity is still about one grain less than for Ackleys version. Ill be testing this powder with other bullet weights moving forward. All Guns and Ammo subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Likewise, only a few models exist for Hornady's new .17 Hornet, and rare too are rifles currently chambered in the uncommon but long-lived .17 Remington. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. 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