Quick View Add to Cart . 0000006802 00000 n Of course, the date stamp is not on the barrel or cylinder, but the other marks are. 0000002445 00000 n 0000003864 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. 0000080589 00000 n Product Catalog Revolvers made in Italy Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend Special offers BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. %PDF-1.6 % 0000052569 00000 n It prompted me to get up and check when my guns were made. Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. 0000001156 00000 n ModerModern Black Powder Prn Black Powder Proofmarksoofmarks Unraveling The Mystery Of Iconsy Of Icons These are the three standard stampings on every Italian-made black powder revolver, pistol, rifle and shotgun. 0 My wife and grand kids and my kids. H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} Can be without . Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. 1990 = AZ. From time to time, new data becomes available that corrects previous information found to be incorrect based on what was known at the time. that we have found on this subject. Firearm Gardone & Brescia BP in 44 Cal Revolver Gardone and Brescia Italian Black Powder in 44 Cal Revolver; blued finish, brass frame and wood handle grips, 6.25" barrel, 13.5" overall length, six shot capacity, front fixed and rear grooved sights; barrel is marked w/ 'star over shield' and 'star over PN' proof marks (identifies Gardone & Brescia as armorer), MADE IN ITALY; frame is marked . Bookmark It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. 0000014945 00000 n 1858 New Army Revolvers. . To establish this rule, they constructed a proof house near the City of London. Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. 0000013830 00000 n endstream endobj 36 0 obj <> endobj 37 0 obj <>/ColorSpace<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC]/ExtGState<>>>/Type/Page>> endobj 38 0 obj <> endobj 39 0 obj <> endobj 40 0 obj [/DeviceN[/Black]/DeviceCMYK 63 0 R 64 0 R] endobj 41 0 obj <> endobj 42 0 obj <>stream Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. 1945 = 1. Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . But I am starting to believe this is true. The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. 0000001485 00000 n 0000014575 00000 n 0000117775 00000 n 0000143308 00000 n The barrel and cylinder are blued steel. Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. They are built with state-of-the-art materials, so you can enjoy safe and reliable performance with modern ammunition. 0000046756 00000 n fW5Zi|Fki"Mf4i{~9wY C [[8jD=z"ef ~ZckGWE(}vE|4 are cottage industry type weapons without a specific brand name. 0000003341 00000 n ,!x#B3`Ev 0000005702 00000 n Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers name or logo. Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. Re-proof mark, seen on black powder rifles which had been proofed with nitro powders. 0000007873 00000 n 0000003896 00000 n These two, and sometimes the makers private mark, may be found on many old weapons. 0000013943 00000 n These marks are the Belgian Lion rampant over the letters S.C.H. A great deal of painstaking research work is necessary before a list of armourers marks applied to pistols can be compiled, but I have every hope of preparing such a list at a future date when peace is restored in Europe and the great museum collections are accessible. Mf+wwJcC] }oUA!o=}OWWAn7 21 Proof Marks - Germany 1891 - 1939 proof marks: Nitro Final proof Black powder Choked bore Rifled bore Smooth bore 22 Proof Marks - Germany Weapons manufactured prior to the proof law taking effect (1893) were required grandfathered, but had . It has the standard Italian proof marks and date code (AD). with this information in an attempt to clear up some wrong information 0000008059 00000 n The same rulses are more or less applied today. 0000067053 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 0000001770 00000 n black powder proof house stamping, and Gardone proof house stamping. 1860 Army Engraved Black Powder Revolver .44 cal Blued. 0000001474 00000 n The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. 0000037734 00000 n 0000007017 00000 n My feeling is you have a Walker copy someone made look old. E.M.F. 0000092657 00000 n 0000057470 00000 n The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. . Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. Recently someone posted a site tahta gave the codes of manufacture of Italian made guns. So, what follows is a photo library of many of the various Black Powder Proofmarks, Date Codes, Importer, Distributor and Manufacturer's Marks to help with identifying the manufacturer of your revolvers, pistols or rifles. H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` Junior Member . It may not display this or other websites correctly. 0000067226 00000 n 0000004123 00000 n marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. 1: A true smoothbore rifle. I have not been able to locate an authoritative resource Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. (1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. It is possible that these shops did not have an Italian firearms manufacturers license and could not sell their products direct, so they were sold through other manufacturers who had a license. 0000004972 00000 n The history of some of these makers and importers are no longer available due to lost records. b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. 0000004035 00000 n Uberti black powder revolvers are exact replicas of their famous predecessors, and are built to perform reliably and safely with modern black powder loads. The AE is the proof mark and that is decoded as 1979. Senior Member . Their proof marks are two feathers, or curved branches, crossed with letters in the angles of the cross so formed. Seen on repaired guns that required re=proofing. 0000106738 00000 n SOLD FOR: $1175. Attachments 1LC_7209.jpg 259.2 KB Views: 601 1LC_7210.jpg Price: $380.00. %PDF-1.6 % Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels. since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000010481 00000 n Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030 By Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire Start new topic Posted December 20, 2013 Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date) This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm The fourth the crossed branches, with the letters S.E.E., and a cross in their angles. The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. %%EOF HMo09..0pl4jub(FZf=~$ABP(XLP Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. 0000003452 00000 n 0000001196 00000 n Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. 0000111269 00000 n I have searched for this site but can't find it. 0000016679 00000 n Again, thank you These marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. Italian Date Codes. Joined Mar 2, 2020 0000009592 00000 n 0000134772 00000 n 0000016641 00000 n 3. 0000002659 00000 n Usually, these replicas are made by companies such as Uberti or Pietta, but smaller, lesser known Italian companies often make these as well. Pietta. 0000011827 00000 n 0000002932 00000 n 0000080946 00000 n 0000036933 00000 n Posts: 14 . 0000051690 00000 n 0000007663 00000 n AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. These include the 0000080518 00000 n trailer 0000037574 00000 n I saw that as wellnote that AE was used, but "BE" is skipped. 0000007161 00000 n "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. 0000078548 00000 n This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. Re: italian made .44 black powder revolver That's essentially a copy of a copy. Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. 0000039439 00000 n August 19, 2012, 03:46 PM #10: Fingers McGee. skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. Largest pricelist of weapons and civil supplies. 0000129535 00000 n 0000004839 00000 n 0000069587 00000 n Ridgecrest, PRoC (Peoples Republic of California). 36 Made in Italy". 1848 Dragoon Revolvers. interlaced, and surmounted by a crown. 0000097375 00000 n We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof 0000003744 00000 n 0000000016 00000 n 0000006823 00000 n The third is a plain stamp, with the letters A.V.E. cases. barrel began as a means to insure its safety and integrity. Serial Numbers. Anyone have the latest date codes? HWMs8WLE ydljblj+-Q%xvn Tr @w|;-'.y':BRdiR4&I &Ml7!e6"G'&y~>mh2?/.^/Fhy9xamNvYNy2k3ZX(`BIFybVE2-p$d(IF *^bSCv.* bW2P5a)M'?5*VT"fEdv/}Y4tU=iaf6hj\3qRplj9l#~ Oe{'zp{BM A proof load normally runs 30% more pressure than its corresponding service load, not 30% more powder. 0000099401 00000 n Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. 0000010816 00000 n Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? %%EOF As a result, we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that have taken a long time to be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time. F.A.P. since 1950 E. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. SKU: FR185117. My revolver seems to have no date marks on it anywhere. )9/q3YgYHH}c. Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. As for value comes with box and back powder flask. From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . 0000004652 00000 n U.S.A.Most pistols exported from the United States are not proof marked in their country of origin. Does anyone know where I could find the codes? The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof marks described. The first cipher is the crossed branches surmounted by a crown, and with a cross or star in the three other angles. 0000012886 00000 n 178 0 obj <>stream After years of looking at and trying Originally evolved by the armourers themselves, the system of proof was in nearly every arms-producing country taken over by the Municipality or the State, who imposed a series of stringent by-laws and penalties on any who sought to evade the prescribed tests. 0000001896 00000 n (tr_WXvvL6Eu'}OI U-XY!A:Xnid~g,~:@ZP&kl$VsYA<5FTbf]0>okJ!wK9ae0 Lc#As;$'NS.7 5bUSGD}pzYVn5"I-6.K3obuGUQ,qe2F'.2sAI/.Dr\,:cyH=y39'vT-[ 6T These firearms trailer 0000062843 00000 n PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN 1891-1928 Budapest smokeless powder proof for parabellum pistols Since 1981 Ferlach smokeless powder proof for parabellum . since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000015377 00000 n These small manufacturers started with supplying only parts and then evolved into completed guns. 0000005284 00000 n 0000008724 00000 n 0000104236 00000 n 1873 cattleman new model black powder muzzle loading Showing all 17 results Default sorting Sort by popularity Sort by newness Sort by price: low to high Sort by price: high to low This or other websites correctly the cross so formed with box and back powder flask performance modern. 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